ID the Motorcycle

[STL-Scott]

I've got a new game for you, kind of a spin on the one Hollywood started. Name the motorcycle and you get a ice cold shake at the next meeting (a real one not the picture that Hollywood gives out)

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/STL-Scott/DCP01136.jpg

Yes - that is my son modeling Oddball style headgear, with the complementary goggles on the saddle next to him...he was 8.5 months old at the time of this picture.

Good luck!

[Matthew 10:16]

Ya Gotta Love it! Can't even begin to guess on the m/c, but love ur best buddy.

[Purple Venom]

Triumph with a sidecar

[STL-Scott]

Well you figured out the sidecar part...wrong make though.

Kerry...chime in here - you are the other resident m/c enthusiast...

[Kerry & Kathy]

Well you figured out the sidecar part...wrong make though.

Kerry...chime in here - you are the other resident m/c enthusiast...

Show the engine...

A spring seat on a rigid rear wheel could be from 50 different M/C's.

Sidecar looks like pre-WW2 ex-military.

What little of the engine shows suggests "maybe" an Ariel Square Four or BMW...but need to see more details.

K&K

[STL-Scott]

K&K is getting a little closer with the ID.

Here is another picture - sorry don't have a better one of the engine.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/STL-Scott/mc-d-man.jpg

Keep those guesses coming...

[Purple Venom]

Is it this - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Ural-sidecar-600.jpg

[STL-Scott]

Looking for manufacturer, model, and approx. vintage

Tim - no it is not the Ural in the wiki photo.

Do you guys need a hint or something? You seem to pick out cars real well...but the m/c's are throwing you off, eh?

Well everyone except Kerry...

[STL-Scott]

Trying to make it easier for you, but shake has just been downgraded to the small size...

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn218/STL-Scott/mc-2.jpg

[Kerry & Kathy]

FOUL....The shake better be an EXTRA LARGE...

The latest picture is a different motorcycle. It has an Earle's front suspension and a bunch of other parts the first BMW does not have. The front end and fenders are different, the side car is different, it has a chrome rear rack and shows pin-striping the earlier pictures do not show.

THE SECOND PICTURE IS A DIFFERENT BMW AND SIDECAR....!!!

The second picture obviously shows a BMW twin cylinder which could be an R50/2, R60/2 or R69/2 depending on actual engine displacement of 500cc, 600cc, or 690cc. The Earle's front end would indicate it is a 1955 to 1969 model, however the presence of turn signals suggest it is a 67-69 model. The earlier picture is showing a telescopic fork making this BMW probably a 1969 model, as by that time all the R series US model BMW's had dropped the Earle's fork and substituted the telescopic fork.

What is confusing is the first side car looks like an older military model that was refinished to match the motorcycle.

What is MOST confusing is that you have posted two different configuration BMW's and side cars....FOUL...FOUL...FOUL....



Kerry

[STL-Scott]

K&K,

Not trying to FOUL here, and thanks for catching this. You're right, they are not the same motorcycle, but they are made by the same company. The first bike is the one I was trying to identify. Was also trying to give you an advantage of seeing the engine side view (why I posted the third photo).

K&K - you are getting very warm...but it is NOT a BMW.

Think more globally...

AND because of my foul, the shake has been upsized again.

GOOD LUCK!

[Kerry & Kathy]

OK...should have looked closer at the valve covers. They are not BMW.

The Russians made copies of the German BMW's during and after WW2 that were called "Urals"...no not Urinals...

In the 60's the Chinese copied the Russian Urals to create a M/C called a Chang...Ching...Chong...something or other. Maybe it was a Cheech and Chong...?

They continued to copy a number of different motorcycles including Japanese four cylinder models up until the present day.

The presence of turn signals on both examples posted and overall good condition of both suggests that these are pictures of late model production Chinese clones of a Russian Ural clone of a German BMW.

Beyond that...you'll have to provide the "rest of the story"....

Where did you take these pictures?



K&K

[STL-Scott]

Paul Harvey here, and now...the rest of the story.

K&K - you are correct. Well, about as close as anyone will come without knowing the person who owns this m/c.

The owner of the bike is a walking story himself. A good friend of the family and Liam's godfather. We call him DW, D-Man, for short, but his real name is Dariusz Weicha. Comes to the US by way of the east coast of the US, then went to Montreal to finish architecture school (became a Canadian before US citizen), but was originally born in Poland under communists rule in the 60's. The photos were taken in 2003 when we lived in Denver.

The motorcycle is a Chang Jiang 750 M1. I have to log into my computer at work to link in the website for the company and his own site for his bike, which he has nicknamed "The Red Pig". I believe his bike was originally built in China, shipped to the states, owned by several individuals, shipped back to China for rebuilding and upgrades, and then back to the US, and then DW bought it off EBay in 2002 after we gave him a gift certificate to learn how to ride motorcycles (at a school) for a birthday present one year. I figured he would get a simple japanese bike like I had, but he had to find the most unusual contraption out there...he restored it to the condition you saw in the first two photos I posted, an even took a first place award at the Denver Custom Bike show several years ago in a catagory they had for his bike. When Dariusz was in Buisness School at Duke a few years ago, they took a summer trip to Japan and China, and he went to the factory where they build these bikes, he is now good friends with the owners...

I'll link the other web-sites later when - can get on a computer (doing this post from my smart phone....aka handheld)

[STL-Scott]

Here are those links:

http://www.chang-jiang.com/bmw/welcome.html#CJ750

http://www.chang-jiang.com/bmw/a2.html

Here is one of my friend's (DW) Web-site on "The Red Pig":
http://www.changjiangunlimited.com/tb70.htm